Meetings - Minutesjanuary2014
RULES REVIEW COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES
January 16, 2014
The Rules Review Commission met on Thursday, January 16, 2014, in the Commission Room at 1711 New Hope Church Road, Raleigh, North Carolina. Commissioners present were: Anna Choi, Margaret Currin, Garth Dunklin, Jeff Hyde, Stephanie Simpson and Ralph Walker.
Staff members present were: Commission Counsels Amanda Reeder and Abigail Hammond; and Molly Masich, Dana Vojtko, Julie Brincefield, and Tammara Chalmers.
The meeting was called to order at 10:00 a.m. with Vice-Chairman Currin presiding. She read the notice required by NCGS 138A-15(e) and reminded the Commission members that they have a duty to avoid conflicts of interest and the appearances of conflicts.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Vice-Chairman Currin asked for any discussion, comments, or corrections concerning the minutes of the December 19, 2013 meeting. There were none and the minutes were approved as distributed
FOLLOW-UP MATTERS
NC Rural Electrification Authority
04 NCAC 08 .0101, .0102, .0107, .0108, .0109, .0110, .0111, .0112, .0201, .0202, .0203, .0204, .0205, .0206, .0207, .0208, .0209, .0210, .0211, .0212, .0301, .0302, .0303, .0305, .0306, .0307, .0308, .0309, .0310, .0311, .0312, .0401, .0404 - There has been no response from the agency and no action was taken.
Home Inspector Licensure Board
All rules were unanimously approved.
Environmental Management Commission
The rule was unanimously approved.
Board of Occupational Therapy
Both rules were unanimously approved.
LOG OF FILINGS
Vice-Chairman Currin presided over the review of the log of permanent rules.
Child Care Commission
The Commission extended the period of review on 10A NCAC 09 .0302, .1702, .2506, .2701, .2702, .2703, .2704 and .2903 in accordance with G.S. 150B-21.13. The Commission extended the period of review to allow the Child Care Commission additional time to review staff’s Request for Technical Changes.
Commission for Mental Health
The Commission objected to Rule 10A NCAC 27G .0504 based on lack of statutory authority, as there does not appear to be any authority for the Commission for Mental Health, Developmental Disabilities and Substance Abuse Services to alter the language of G.S. 122C-64 as set forth in Subparagraph (b)(5) of the Rule.
W. Denise Baker with the agency addressed the Commission.
Criminal Justice Education and Training Standards Commission
All rules were unanimously approved.
Sheriffs' Education and Training Standards Commission
All of the rules were unanimously approved with the following exception:
The Commission objected to Rule 12 NCAC 10B .1901 based on lack of statutory authority to abrogate the statute by requiring the military trained applicant to have a Military Occupational Specialty or equivalent training, testing or completed a military training of program, when both are required by the law. Further, the Rule is unclear what will constitute equivalent experience for this licensure.
Marine Fisheries Commission
All of the rules were unanimously approved with the following exceptions:
15A NCAC 03J .0207 and 15A NCAC 03Q .0202 were withdrawn by the agency.
Wildlife Resources Commission
Both rules were unanimously approved.
Appraisal Board
21 NCAC 57A .0202 was unanimously approved.
Speech and Language Pathologists and Audiologists, Board of Examiners for
The Commission objected to Rules 21 NCAC 64 .0206, .0219 and .0307 because the agency failed to comply with the Administrative Procedure Act, as it adopted the Rules before the close of the comment period.
The Commission also objected to Rule .0219 on the grounds of ambiguity. It is unclear in Paragraph (d) what the “requirements of the patient site” are.
The Commission additionally objected to Rule .0307 based upon ambiguity, as it is unclear what the Board meant to references to the “Article” in this context, and ambiguity regarding what will constitute “inconsistent and in conflict.”
G.S 150B-19.1(h) RRC CERTIFICATION
Vice-Chairman Currin presided over the review of the log of RRC Certification.
Department of Justice
The Commission certified that the agency adhered to the principles in G.S. 150B-19.1 for proposed rules 12 NCAC 12 .0101, .0102, .0202, .0204, .0205, .0208, .0210, .0214, .0304, and .0501.
The Commission did not certify Rules 02I .0104, .0203, .0206, .0211, .0212, .0213 and .0306, finding the Department does not have the statutory authority for certain requirements proposed in the amended Rules, including sanctioning individuals or agencies for five years when the statute limits such sanctions to three years.
Trevor Allen, who is with the agency, addressed the Commission.
2014 STATE MEDICAL FACILITIES PLAN
The Commission found that the Department of Health and Human Services and the State Health Coordinating Council complied with G.S. 131E-176(25) in the adoption of the 2014 Plan.
COMMISSION BUSINESS
The Commission discussed the adoption of Rule 26 NCAC 05 .0211, which sets forth the schedule the Commission will use in implementing the HB 74 rule review process. RRC Rule .0211 was proposed for adoption and publication in the NCR and is attached. The Commission approved publishing the rule for a 45 day comment period.
Vice-Chairman Currin opened the meeting for a public hearing on the proposed adoption of Rules 26 NCAC 05 .0201-.0210 at 11:00 a.m. Vice-Chairman Currin called on anyone present who wished to comment on or object to the adoption of 26 NCAC 05 .0201-.0210 as they were noticed in the NC Register. Nadia Luhr from the NC Conservation Network, Brooks Rainey Pearson from the Southern Environmental Law Center, and Lacy Presnell from the Department of Environment and Natural Resources made their comments before the Commission. Staff informed the Commission that it received four written comments before the meeting, and that the comments will become part of the rulemaking record. The period to receive comments will expire at 5:00 p.m., February 14, 2014. The Commission may vote on the adoption of 26 NCAC 05 .0201-.0210 at its regularly scheduled meeting in February.
The public hearing portion of the meeting was closed at 11:12 a.m.
The Commission’s Bylaws require that elections be held at the January meeting. The following members were elected as officers:
Margaret Currin was elected Chairman.
Garth Dunklin was elected 1st Vice-Chairman.
Stephanie Simpson was elected 2nd Vice-Chairman.
The Commission thanked Judge Walker for his service as Chairman.
The meeting adjourned at 11:25 a.m.
A special meeting for the review of Temporary Rules is scheduled on Wednesday, January 29th, at 9:30 a.m.
The next regularly scheduled meeting of the Commission is Thursday, February 20th at 10:00 a.m.
There is a digital recording of the entire meeting available from the Office of Administrative Hearings / Rules Division.
Respectfully Submitted,
Dana Vojtko
Publications Coordinator
Minutes approved by the Rules Review Commission:
Margaret Currin, Vice-Chair
26 NCAC 05 .0211 is proposed for adoption as follows:
TITLE 26 – OFFICE OF ADMINISTRATIVE HEARINGS
CHAPTER 05 – RULES REVIEW COMMISSION
SECTION .0200 PERIODIC REVIEW OF EXISTING RULES
(a) The Commission shall review the report prepared for the identified portion of the Administrative Code on the month and year as set forth below:
| July 2014 | August 2014 | September 2014 | October 2014 | November 2014 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 21 NCAC 23 | 04 NCAC 24 | 02 NCAC 57 | 15A NCAC 02T | 04 NCAC 14 |
| 21 NCAC 37 | 21 NCAC 08 | 04 NCAC 17 | 15A NCAC 02U | 11 NCAC 14 |
| 25 NCAC 01A | 21 NCAC 52 | 15A NCAC 01A | 15A NCAC 01G | 11 NCAC 18 |
| 25 NCAC 01B | 24 NCAC 02 | 15A NCAC 01S | 15A NCAC 02B | 11 NCAC 20 |
| 25 NCAC 01C | 18 NCAC 03 | 15A NCAC 02H | 11 NCAC 21 | |
| 25 NCAC 02 | 18 NCAC 05 | 11 NCAC 22 | ||
| 03 NCAC 01 | 21 NCAC 01 | 13 NCAC 08 | ||
| 21 NCAC 30 | 13 NCAC 10 | |||
| 21 NCAC 42 | 15A NCAC 12A | |||
| 21 NCAC 45 | 15A NCAC 12B | |||
| 15A NCAC 12C | ||||
| 15A NCAC 12D | ||||
| 15A NCAC 12F | ||||
| 15A NCAC 12G | ||||
| 15A NCAC 12I | ||||
| 15A NCAC 12J | ||||
| 15A NCAC 12K | ||||
| 15A NCAC 01H | ||||
| 21 NCAC 20 | ||||
| 21 NCAC 21 | ||||
| 21 NCAC 28 | ||||
| 21 NCAC 69 | ||||
| December 2014 | January 2015 | February 2015 | March 2015 | April 2015 |
| 10A NCAC 45 | 02 NCAC 09B | 09 NCAC 03 | 04 NCAC 08 | 10A NCAC 13L |
| 21 NCAC 02 | 02 NCAC 09C | 09 NCAC 06 | 10A NCAC 05 | 10A NCAC 13M |
| 21 NCAC 14 | 02 NCAC 09D | 10A NCAC 97 | 10A NCAC 09 | 10A NCAC 13O |
| 21 NCAC 62 | 02 NCAC 09E | 15A NCAC 02S | 10A NCAC 26A | |
| 02 NCAC 09F | 21 NCAC 06 | 10A NCAC 26B | ||
| 02 NCAC 09G | 10A NCAC 26D | |||
| 02 NCAC 09H | 15A NCAC 02R | |||
| 02 NCAC 09J | 15A NCAC 18D | |||
| 02 NCAC 09K | 21 NCAC 11 | |||
| 02 NCAC 09M | 21 NCAC 32 | |||
| 02 NCAC 09N | ||||
| 02 NCAC 09O | ||||
| 02 NCAC 38 | ||||
| 02 NCAC 43F | ||||
| 02 NCAC 51 | ||||
| 02 NCAC 52A | ||||
| 02 NCAC 52K | ||||
| 02 NCAC 54 | ||||
| 10A NCAC 13A | ||||
| 10A NCAC 13D | ||||
| 10A NCAC 13G | ||||
| 10A NCAC 14I | ||||
| 15A NCAC 01F | ||||
| May 2015 | June 2015 | July 2015 | August 2015 | September 2015 |
| 07 NCAC 04 | 04 NCAC 02R | 02 NCAC 20B | 10A NCAC 13H | 04 NCAC 15 |
| 15A NCAC 08 | 10A NCAC 21 | 02 NCAC 37 | 10A NCAC 70I | 10A NCAC 63 |
| 15A NCAC 18D | 10A NCAC 22 | 02 NCAC 42 | 10A NCAC 70K | 15A NCAC 18C |
| 17 NCAC 03 | 21 NCAC 50 | 02 NCAC 59A | 19A NCAC 01 | |
| 17 NCAC 06 | 21 NCAC 61 | 02 NCAC 59B | 19A NCAC 04 | |
| 02 NCAC 59C | 19A NCAC 05 | |||
| 02 NCAC 59E | 19A NCAC 06 | |||
| 02 NCAC 59F | ||||
| 02 NCAC 59G | ||||
| 02 NCAC 60A | ||||
| 02 NCAC 60B | ||||
| 15A NCAC 01I | ||||
| 15A NCAC 09 | ||||
| 21 NCAC 60 | ||||
| 21 NCAC 63 | ||||
| October 2015 | November 2015 | December 2015 | January 2016 | February 2016 |
| 10A NCAC 40 | 10A NCAC 14J | 15A NCAC 02Q | 01 NCAC 01 | 10A NCAC 10 |
| 10A NCAC 47 | 10A NCAC 46 | 15A NCAC 02D | 01 NCAC 03 | 10A NCAC 89 |
| 11 NCAC 11 | 10A NCAC 48 | 15A NCAC 07B | 01 NCAC 04 | 13 NCAC 07 |
| 11 NCAC 19 | 13 NCAC 15 | 01 NCAC 25 | 13 NCAC 12 | |
| 18 NCAC 01 | 13 NCAC 20 | 01 NCAC 26 | ||
| 18 NCAC 04 | 15A NCAC 12H | 10A NCAC 13P | ||
| 18 NCAC 13 | 10A NCAC 26E | |||
| 25 NCAC 01D | 10A NCAC 26F | |||
| 06 NCAC 01 | 15A NCAC 04 | |||
| 06 NCAC 02 | 21 NCAC 18 | |||
| 06 NCAC 03 | 21 NCAC 29 | |||
| 06 NCAC 04 | ||||
| March 2016 | April 2016 | May 2016 | June 2016 | July 2016 |
| 04 NCAC 01 | 10A NCAC 13J | 01 NCAC 05 | 04 NCAC 02S | 19A NCAC 02 |
| 10A NCAC 17 | 10A NCAC 27A | 10A NCAC 23 | 17 NCAC 01 | |
| 15A NCAC 01L | 10A NCAC 27B | 10A NCAC 25 | 17 NCAC 09 | |
| 15A NCAC 01N | 10A NCAC 27D | 21 NCAC 38 | 17 NCAC 10 | |
| 20 NCAC 01 | 11 NCAC 06 | 26 NCAC 01 | 17 NCAC 11 | |
| 20 NCAC 04 | 11 NCAC 13 | 26 NCAC 02 | 17 NCAC 12 | |
| 20 NCAC 07 | 16 NCAC 01 | 26 NCAC 03 | ||
| 16 NCAC 02 | 26 NCAC 04 | |||
| 16 NCAC 03 | ||||
| 25 NCAC 01F | ||||
| August 2016 | September 2016 | October 2016 | November 2016 | December 2016 |
| 10A NCAC 06 | 12 NCAC 01 | 10A NCAC 39 | 10A NCAC 14F | 01 NCAC 09 |
| 10A NCAC 67 | 12 NCAC 02 | 10A NCAC 43C | 15A NCAC 10F | 01 NCAC 15 |
| 10A NCAC 68 | 12 NCAC 03 | 10A NCAC 43E | 15A NCAC 10H | 01 NCAC 17 |
| 10A NCAC 69 | 12 NCAC 04 | 10A NCAC 43G | 20 NCAC 03 | 01 NCAC 19 |
| 10A NCAC 70A | 12 NCAC 06 | 10A NCAC 43H | 20 NCAC 08 | 01 NCAC 35 |
| 10A NCAC 70B | 21 NCAC 12 | 10A NCAC 43I | 20 NCAC 09 | 08 NCAC 01 |
| 10A NCAC 70C | 21 NCAC 17 | 10A NCAC 43J | 20 NCAC 10 | 08 NCAC 02 |
| 10A NCAC 70D | 21 NCAC 22 | 18 NCAC 06 | 08 NCAC 03 | |
| 10A NCAC 70E | 21 NCAC 64 | 18 NCAC 07 | 08 NCAC 04 | |
| 10A NCAC 70F | 25 NCAC 01E | 18 NCAC 10 | 08 NCAC 05 | |
| 10A NCAC 70G | 25 NCAC 01K | 08 NCAC 06 | ||
| 10A NCAC 70H | 25 NCAC 01L | 08 NCAC 07 | ||
| 10A NCAC 72 | 25 NCAC 01M | 08 NCAC 08 | ||
| 25 NCAC 01N | 08 NCAC 09 | |||
| 25 NCAC 01O | 08 NCAC 10 | |||
| 08 NCAC 12 | ||||
| 08 NCAC 13 | ||||
| 11 NCAC 10 | ||||
| 11 NCAC 16 | ||||
| 14B NCAC 01 | ||||
| 14B NCAC 02 | ||||
| 14B NCAC 03 | ||||
| 14B NCAC 04 | ||||
| 14B NCAC 05 | ||||
| 14B NCAC 06 | ||||
| 14B NCAC 07 | ||||
| 15A NCAC 02A | ||||
| 15A NCAC 02C | ||||
| 15A NCAC 02E | ||||
| January 2017 | February 2017 | March 2017 | April 2017 | May 2017 |
| 02 NCAC 48C | 04 NCAC 06 | 10A NCAC 71 | 10A NCAC 27I | 07 NCAC 01 |
| 02 NCAC 48D | 10A NCAC 01 | 21 NCAC 04 | 10A NCAC 28A | 07 NCAC 02 |
| 02 NCAC 48F | 15A NCAC 01D | 21 NCAC 31 | 13 NCAC 14 | 07 NCAC 03 |
| 02 NCAC 52B | 15A NCAC 01E | 15A NCAC 01C | 07 NCAC 05 | |
| 02 NCAC 52C | 25 NCAC 01H | 15A NCAC 13A | 07 NCAC 06 | |
| 02 NCAC 52D | 25 NCAC 01I | 15A NCAC 13B | 07 NCAC 07 | |
| 02 NCAC 52E | 25 NCAC 01J | 15A NCAC 13C | 07 NCAC 08 | |
| 02 NCAC 52F | 07 NCAC 09 | |||
| 02 NCAC 52G | 07 NCAC 10 | |||
| 02 NCAC 52H | 07 NCAC 11 | |||
| 02 NCAC 52I | 07 NCAC 12 | |||
| 02 NCAC 59D | 10A NCAC 13B | |||
| 02 NCAC 59H | 12 NCAC 10 | |||
| 10A NCAC 27E | ||||
| 10A NCAC 27F | ||||
| 10A NCAC 27H | ||||
| 15A NCAC 05A | ||||
| 15A NCAC 05B | ||||
| 15A NCAC 05C | ||||
| 15A NCAC 05F | ||||
| 15A NCAC 05G | ||||
| June 2017 | July 2017 | August 2017 | September 2017 | October 2017 |
| 04 NCAC 02T | 02 NCAC 29 | 04 NCAC 12 | 04 NCAC 03 | 10A NCAC 13C |
| 17 NCAC 05 | 02 NCAC 31 | 10A NCAC 70 | 10A NCAC 43A | 10A NCAC 42 |
| 21 NCAC 25 | 02 NCAC 39 | 10A NCAC 70J | 10A NCAC 43B | 10A NCAC 43D |
| 21 NCAC 26 | 02 NCAC 53 | 10A NCAC 70L | 10A NCAC 43F | 10A NCAC 44 |
| 02 NCAC 58 | 10A NCAC 70M | 15A NCAC 02K | ||
| 02 NCAC 43A | 10A NCAC 70N | 18 NCAC 02 | ||
| 02 NCAC 43B | 10A NCAC 70O | 18 NCAC 12 | ||
| 02 NCAC 43C | 12 NCAC 11 | |||
| 02 NCAC 43D | 21 NCAC 57 | |||
| 02 NCAC 43E | ||||
| 02 NCAC 43G | ||||
| 02 NCAC 43L | ||||
| 02 NCAC 43M | ||||
| 21 NCAC 54 | ||||
| 24 NCAC 01 | ||||
| 24 NCAC 03 | ||||
| November 2017 | December 2017 | January 2018 | February 2018 | March 2018 |
| 01 NCAC 38 | 10A NCAC 41A | 10A NCAC 13F | 04 NCAC 19 | 21 NCAC 58 |
| 01 NCAC 39 | 10A NCAC 41B | 10A NCAC 28B | 15A NCAC 02L | 21 NCAC 68 |
| 01 NCAC 40 | 10A NCAC 41D | 10A NCAC 28C | 15A NCAC 02N | |
| 01 NCAC 43 | 10A NCAC 41E | 15A NCAC 07A | 15A NCAC 02O | |
| 01 NCAC 44 | 10A NCAC 41F | 15A NCAC 07H | 15A NCAC 02P | |
| 10A NCAC 14 A | 10A NCAC 41G | 15A NCAC 07I | ||
| 10A NCAC 14G | 15A NCAC 03 | 15A NCAC 07J | ||
| 10A NCAC 14H | 15A NCAC 10B | 15A NCAC 07K | ||
| 11 NCAC 08 | 15A NCAC 10C | 15A NCAC 07L | ||
| 14B NCAC 08 | 15A NCAC 07M | |||
| 14B NCAC 09 | ||||
| 14B NCAC 10 | ||||
| 14B NCAC 11 | ||||
| 14B NCAC 12 | ||||
| 14B NCAC 13 | ||||
| 14B NCAC 14 | ||||
| 21 NCAC 39 | ||||
| April 2018 | May 2018 | June 2018 | July 2018 | August 2018 |
| 10A NCAC 26C | 01 NCAC 06 | 21 NCAC 07 | 19A NCAC 03 | 12 NCAC 07 |
| 10A NCAC 27C | 01 NCAC 30 | 21 NCAC 34 | 20 NCAC 02 | |
| 10A NCAC 28D | 13 NCAC 01 | 21 NCAC 46 | 21 NCAC 48 | |
| 10A NCAC 28E | 13 NCAC 04 | 21 NCAC 65 | ||
| 11 NCAC 12 | 13 NCAC 05 | 21 NCAC 66 | ||
| 15A NCAC 22 | 13 NCAC 06 | |||
| 15A NCAC 28 | 13 NCAC 13 | |||
| 21 NCAC 19 | 13 NCAC 16 | |||
| 13 NCAC 17 | ||||
| 13 NCAC 18 | ||||
| 13 NCAC 19 | ||||
| 21 NCAC 33 | ||||
| 21 NCAC 36 | ||||
| September 2018 | October 2018 | November 2018 | December 2018 | January 2019 |
| 02 NCAC 09L | 10A NCAC 13K | 10A NCAC 14C | 10A NCAC 41C | 02 NCAC 46 |
| 02 NCAC 34 | 10A NCAC 41H | 11 NCAC 05 | 15A NCAC 01O | 02 NCAC 48A . |
| 04 NCAC 16 | 17 NCAC 04 | 11 NCAC 07 | 15A NCAC 18B | 02 NCAC 48B |
| 18 NCAC 08 | 15A NCAC 18A | 15A NCAC 18C | 02 NCAC 52J | |
| 18 NCAC 11 | 15A NCAC 27 | 02 NCAC 61 | ||
| 21 NCAC 40 | 15A NCAC 02G | 11 NCAC 01 | ||
| 15A NCAC 02I | 11 NCAC 04 | |||
| 15A NCAC 02J | 11 NCAC 17 | |||
| 15A NCAC 10A | 15A NCAC 18A, Sections .0100, .0300 - .0900 and .3400 | |||
| 15A NCAC 10D | ||||
| 15A NCAC 10E | ||||
| 15A NCAC 10G | ||||
| 15A NCAC 10I | ||||
| 15A NCAC 10J | ||||
| 15A NCAC 10K | ||||
| February 2019 | March 2019 | April 2019 | May 2019 | June 2019 |
| 04 NCAC 20 | 12 NCAC 09 | 15A NCAC 11 | 04 NCAC 10 | 10A NCAC 14E |
| 21 NCAC 03 | 17 NCAC 07 | 15A NCAC 14 | 10A NCAC 27G | 10A NCAC 28F |
| 21 NCAC 10 | 10A NCAC 28G | |||
| 21 NCAC 16 | 10A NCAC 28H | |||
| 21 NCAC 53 | 10A NCAC 28I | |||
| 21 NCAC 56 | 10A NCAC 29C | |||
| 10A NCAC 29D |
(b) The report shall be filed in accordance with Rule .0203 of this Chapter.
History Note: Authority G.S. 150B-21.3A.
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| Name | Agency |
|---|---|
| Ann Wall | Sec of State |
| Catherine Blum | DENR - DMF |
| Joelle Burleson | DENR - DAQ |
| Julia Lohman | NCDOJ - Sheriffs' Stds |
| Trevor Allen | CSETS |
| Steve Schliesser | DENR - DAQ |
| Megan Lamphere | DHHS |
| Nadine Pfeiffer | DHHS |
| Mike Hejduk | NCDOI / NCHILB |
| Don Toole | City of Durham |
| Pete Burke | NC BD of Funeral Service |
| Anca Grozav | NC OSBM |
| Patricia Buffkin | NCAEC |
| Karen Waddell | NCDOJ |
| Elizabeth Kirk | NCBMBT / NCBOT |
| Charles Wilkins | NCBMBT / NCBOT |
| Denise Stanford | NCHILB |
| Jennifer Percy | NCHFA |
| Janice Davidson | DOR |
| Denise Baker | DHHS - DMH/DD/SAS |
| Roberta Ouellette | NC DOJ |
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| Name | Agency |
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| Charla Burill | NCBDN |
| Jennifer Everett | NCDENR |
| Shelley Carraway | NCDHSR |
| Chris Evans | BCBSNC |
| Cassie Gavin | Sierra Club |
| Lou Martin | SBE |
| Curtis Aldendifer | NC REC |
| Brooks Rainey Pearson | SELC |
| Nadia Luhr | NCCN |
| Anne Coan | NC Farm Bureau Federation |
| Lacy Presnell | DENR |
| Jeff Manning | DENR - DWR |
| Mary Maclean Asbill | SELC |
| Adrienne Weaver | DENR - DWR |
| Lisa Martin | NC Home Builders Assoc |
| Steven Webb | NCHBA |